Interview with No Fealty 2014
By Bradley Smith
As a relatively new band I was hoping you could shed some light on the
somewhat
obscure history of No Fealty? Why did you choose that band
name and how
did you form? What are your goals for No Fealty and what do
you view as
your influences?
Tobias: No Fealty is
kinda based on the ashes of another band, Thought Police Brutality.
When we
decided to break-up that band, we started this one instead. We're still
playing
some of the songs that were written while Thought Police Brutality was
still
active. Jakob, Jon and I are the surviving members from that band, we
recruited
our vocalist Morten and our bass player Søren - both brilliant guys! I
came up
with the band name, at least as far as I remember. I basically just
took a
"travel" through a thesaurus and found cool words (yeah,
really
intellectual, I know). I added a "No" in the beginning and there you
go :-) Our goals? I don't really know - we haven't really set a
specific bar
for success. I think we're just going with the flow - if it's fun and
everyone
is enjoying it, then we do it. Obviously we want to tour as much as our
different schedules allow us to and record as many new songs as
possible, but I
can't be more specific than that.
Jon: We had a band
meeting when Søren and Morten joined, where we had a LONG list of
potential new
names for the band, and No Fealty emerged victoriously. Also, it fits a
knuckles tattoo, if you're in to that sort of thing. There are so many
bands,
artists and composers that influence my song writing that the list is
too long
to write. Of course there are some bands that have influenced us more
than
others, but I would rather not say what bands - I think it's more fun
to read
reviews and see who people compare us to. It's usually not the ones I
would
consider some of the heaviest influences on my song writing, but I
think that's
a good thing. It would be a bit depressing if everyone just agreed that
we
sound like copies of our favorite band(s).
Your debut album, In The Shadow
Of The Monolith is abrasive and really heavy. What was your
approach when
you were writing the material for it and what were you trying to
achieve with
it? Why did you decide to have it released on tape?
Also I would
like to focus a bit on your choice of cover art which is an amazing and
classic
piece. Tell me why you chose it and how it represents No
Fealty's music.
Tobias: I did the artwork
(I use the fancy name "::will::layout::for::food::" when I do
artwork). I think the theme of the record was a critique of all the
fucked up
things the system/the government (and its institutions)/discourse in
gerneral
makes us do. We thought that a monolith was the prefect symbol for
these power
structures and standing in the shadow of these - or rather under the
influence
of these - you do fucked up thinges. A guy eating his children seemed
like an
effective way to symbolise a bad deed. The design is based on a baroque
painting by Peter Paul Rubens that I've always really liked.
It depicts
Saturn/Kronos eating his children because he is affraid that they might
grow up
and overthrow him.
Jakob: As for the tape release we were really just being
contacted
by this nice guy - Fabian from Wolves and Vibrancy - who offered to do
a
limited tape release of the record. And we were like, why not? that
would be
really cool, go ahead. Even though it is as limited release of only 70
copies
it is still an awesome feeling that someone wants to spend time and
money on
our little baby and the project that we have been working on for so
long. This
also goes for the other labels that helped out releasing the LP-version
and
everyone else that are helping us out on so many occasions with shows
and other
stuff. DIY is really just the way to do it, unless you of course want
to be
Metallica or Hexis or some other mainstream metal act.
You recently collaborated on a
Split 7" with Kollapse. Can you tell me about your
participation on
this and how did this project come together? How do you think
that No
Fealty and Kollapse differ from each other and how do they complement
each other
on this release?
Jakob: Well, first of all
we have been good friends with Troels from kollapse, who is partly
running
5Feetunder Records and used to front the awesome but unfortunately now
defunct
speedpunk outfit Mighty Midgets for many years. Therefore we have kinda
stayed
in touch with him and followed his projects. In December we played with
kollapse, when they played their first Copenhagen show so far and that
was a
really good experience. Later on Troels got this idea of doing a split
together
and we said yes of course, but then we should also do a small tour
together,
and then it all kind of came together and we had some really good and
funny
days together in November, playing a few shows in Northern Germany.
Sound wise
we are quite different I think, we play fast and they play slow, but we
are
both still rather heavy, with a thick and textured sound scape, that is
probably not that easily accessible for the untrained ear, which I
think is a
good thing. On top of that they are also just a bunch of nice guys,
that it is
cool to hang out with, which really means a lot to us. Our time is
after all
too precious to waste on douche bags.
Back to In The Shadow Of The
Monolith, you had a bunch of guest vocalists participate. That list
included
members of Kollapse, Svffer, and Hexis. Why did you have so
many
different people contribute and what different aspects do you think
they each
brought to the songs they sang on?
Tobias: I think it was
inspired by what Converge did on Axe To Fall. I really liked the extra
layers
it added to that production, so I thought we'd try out the same thing.
The
three songs they were asked to contribute to turned out really well and
I think
they were good matches for the different sounds of each vocalist.
Leonie from
Svffer really added a grindy element to Rabies God, Filip from Hexis
(my other
band) crushed the interlude in Feed the Leviathan and Troels and Niels
from
Mighty Midgets (now in Kollapse and Stöj Snak, respectively) ...i don't
know
what to call it, but it added an extra layer of manic energy to the
last half
of Damnant Quod Non Intelligunt. Like I said we are all really pleased
with how
these collaborations turned out.
Jakob: Yeah the guest
vocals on Damnant Quod Non Intelligunt definitely changed that song to
the
better, not that it was at all a bad song before. As Tobi said Niels
and Troels
used to play and sing in Mighty Midgets, who had a much more melodic
take on
their brand of hardcore/speedpunk. Actually I don’t think we really saw
this
coming, when we asked them to participate. We had of course talked
about how
their voices would probably suit the track well and then we basically
just sent
them the tracks and lyrics and asked them to do their thing. Then they
came up
with these somewhat melodic dual vocals that really fits the song very
well.
They were actually a bit like, “well if you don’t like it because it is
too
melodic you don’t have to use all of it”, but I really love it I have
to say. I
really like what Filip and Leonie did as well. Collaborating with
different
people in this way is really interesting and adds new dimensions to the
songs
and the music. Apart from this having guest vocalists is also just a
rather
cheap publicity trick that allows us to feed on the divine rock star
fame of
some of our friends.
Politics apparently are a big
focus of No Fealty. What are your political views and how do
you view the
current political climate within Denmark and Europe as a whole. How are
those
views reflected within your music? What are your opinions on
the
political influence of the USA on the world stage?
Jon: So many things in
this question to get into, that it almost gives me a headache. Ithink
it's fair
to say that we're all somewhat "leftish" politically speaking,
without necessarily being a part of any specific grouping or political
party.
Personally, I think that in the last 10 to 15 years, the political
center, if
such a concept actually exists, has moved a lot to the right in Denmark
– and
to some extent also in Europe. The rise of right wing, fascist groups
in
different European countries is really scary, especially considering
European
history. We just had municipal and regional elections in Denmark, and
“The
Danes’ Party” which is more or less explicitly a Nazi party didn’t get
elected
anywhere, so that’s always something. Some of our songs are very
non-specific/symbolic/theoretical regarding politics and things we
think are
wrong with the world, others are more specific. I can give an example,
using
three of our songs (and I apologize for being egotistical and using
three songs
I have written, but I have a better insight into those): "Savior"
from our LP, "Ravished" from our new 7" split with kollapse, and
"Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi", which will be on a future 7", if
things go according to plans. The "chorus" in Savior goes:
"Batter their hearts / Proclaim yourself gods / Destroy them
to save
them / The savior applauds". The first line is inspired by
John
Donne's holy sonnet 14 "Batter my heart", but where the speaker in
the poem asks god to ravish him to in order to be chaste and so on, the
idea in
the song is turned around, so it is an outside force, claiming to be
god in
order to save those attacked. This is a very general idea, that you can
find in
various imperial attitudes and justification for war. The line "destroy
them to save them" is based on a notion of some higher-rungs during the
Vietnam War that you could save people from communism basically by
killing
them. Though these lines have specific inspirations, I think they are
in themselves
pretty broad and open for interpretation in different contexts. The
song also
deals with religion in a pretty broad sense. "Ravished" bears some
thematic similarities to the "Savior", but more specifically
concerning war - the idea from the chorus of "Savior" is found again
in the opening lines of "Ravished": "Self-proclaimed saviors
bring destruction and despair / A nation, a village, a family, a child
-
wrecked beyond repair". The last of this is specifically inspired by
the
Iraq War, as is the rest of the text, so in that sense, it is a bit
more
specific than "Savior" to my mind. The song "Abeer Qassim Hamza
al-Janabi" is very specific, as the title suggests - it is the
name
of a girl who was raped and killed, as were most of her family, by US
soldiers
in Iraq - it's a bloody disgusting case. The leading soldier in the
misdeeds
was mentally unstable, which doesn't make it better in any way, but
leads to
the issue of the US using people unfit for the army, once they have to
fill the
ranks due to large engagements (of course the infamous William Calley
also
comes to mind on this issue). Concerning the US and its
political
influence on the world, a lot of our songs (at least a lot of the ones
I write)
deal with war, violence,abuse of power and so on, and I think the US
has had a
fair share of a hand in dealing that to the world in the last 50 years
(perhaps
50 is a somewhat arbitrary number). To a great extent I think the
“might is
right” principle is de facto used in the world, and that the US has
used this
in their interest (think: “What can/will anyone really do,if we invade
Iraq,
despite the UN being against it”. In fairness, Denmark has for the last
10 to
15 years served as a small but very enthusiastic supporter of US
foreign
policy, for instance regarding wars. The political influence ofthe US
on the
world stage might be slowly declining, thus giving it less opportunity
to
pursue “might is right” engagements (they’re also expensive –consider
the
amount of dollars spent on Vietnam veterans and how much the VA system
has been
criticized, and consider the continuing costs of Iraq and Afghanistan
veterans
in the coming 50 years), which is probably a good thing. What will
happen on
the grand geo-political scale in the next 20 years (and on) is of
course very
interesting. Okay, that should cover a very small fraction of the
issues
contained in your question.
One cannot speak of your country
without of course mentioning the literary treasure, Hans Christian
Andersen.
As an insider, I wanted to get your take on him and his
legacy.
What do you think of his works and his affect on western
psyche? Do
you feel any sort of national pride regarding him and his work and do
you have
a favorite tale of his?
Tobias: National pride?
None, what so ever! (I think that's the punk thing to say, right?) Most
Danes
really like to point their fingers at anyone who doesn't fit in, I
mean, they
say (and think) that they are really tolerant and open-minded, but when
it
really comes down to integration that's not what they really want. I
think
Danes have a tendency to put this romantic idea of what Denmark used to
be on a
pedestal - and anything threatening this fucked-up nostalgia is
unacceptable.
The universe that Hans Christian Andersen constructs in his writings
is, to
some extend, one of the sources of this weird way to look at the
history of
Denmark and the Danes. That's how I see it, anyway.
Jon: I basically agree
with Tobi, although I'm not sure it's fair to hold Hans Christian
Andersen
accountable for how he is being used by nationalistic romantics today.
We all
grew up in Denmark, so I guess we all know some of his fairy tales.
However, in
the realm of No Fealty, I think it's safe to say he plays no role. I
don't know
enough about the subject to comment on his effect on western psyche. A
positive
thing I can say about him is that compared to our other most famous
writer,
Soeren Kierkegaard, I would choose HCA - Kierkegaard has a lot of
psychological
insights and and literary experiments, but he's basically a religious
nut, in
my view (and if we are to take his own word for it, everything he did,
he did
in order to get people to become christian). I guess a lot of punks can
to some
degree relate to being treated like the Ugly Duckling, but I don't
really think
I have a favorite of his fairy tales.
Jakob: Haha I actually
like the Princess and the Pea and the Emperor’s New Clothes, because in
my
reading they contain a very outright criticism of the monarchy, the
royal
family and the nobility. I am not gonna fantasize a whole lot about the
motives
of HCA, to me he didn’t appear as the biggest revolutionary and is
today like
Tobi says to some extent being used to favor some agendas that I don’t
necessarily agree with. To me though it is rather strange that we
didn’t get rid
of those medieval institutions after reading those fairy tales. At
least that
is always my first thought when I read those two stories for my kids,
even
though they don’t get it either I’m afraid. At least my daughter just
wants to
be a princess, even though I tried to tell her that it is really rather
expensive to have a real princess in the family, ‘cause they have so
high
requirements regarding their mattresses and stuff. On top of that it is
not
very hardcore to be a real princess, but she doesn’t really buy that
either… Do
you think I have failed as a dad?
Denmark has topped the list once
again of the happiest countries in the world. I was wondering
why you
thought that the people in Denmark are so happy? And why is
your music so
angry and abrasive in comparison to the mood of your country?
Jon: Of course this is
impossible to answer, even if you accept the findings, but my guess
would be
that a number of factors could play a role as to why many people in
Denmark are
pretty happy with their lives: a pretty decent welfare state (though it
might
be in the process of being dismantled) where we have free healthcare
and free
university studies, we have no "natural disasters" such as
earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, etc. in Denmark - both of which give
a pretty
high level of safety for most people. Also, we have the highest rate of
use of
anti-depressant psychotropic medicine, and a high level of alcohol
consumption.
I have heard some university professors discuss that Danes perhaps in
general
have lower expectations in some regards - many people probably want to
be
happy, but don't dream of being a Donald Trump. As for our music, I
think we
just play music that we like - which happens to be some kind of crusty
hardcore. Our lyrics go well with the music, in my opinion. Also, we're
fucking
pissed that Denmark is musically most famous for fucking Aqua!
The whole of Scandinavia is
comprised of Norway, Sweden, and of course, Denmark. Each of
the
Scandinavians are both similar to their brethren and distinct at the
same time.
What do you think joins these cultures and how do you feel
that the
Danish differ from the other Scandinavians?
Jon: Well, all of
those countries have a pretty decent welfare system. Also, our
languages are
somewhat similar, though most younger people don't understand each
other
between those nations, but prefer to communicate in English. The thing
that
comes to mind about how Denmark differs from Sweden and Norway is that
Denmark
is a small country, geographically, so we don't have a lot of wild
nature,
forests and mountains. How that affects us as a country and as a people
I'm not
sure. Also, we have cheaper beer with more alcohol - we're closer to
Germany in
that respect, though far from being as great a beer country as Germany.
There seems to be a
(anti)religious aspect to No Fealty's music. What are your
views on
religion in general and how do you view the influx of Islamic culture
on the
world stage and especially within Europe?
Tobias: I love it! Our
way of doing things needs to be challenged constantly if we wanna keep
it
fresh. What I love, is how it brings out the beast that's lurking
beneath the
surface of the minds of the Europeans. Instead of everyone sitting
around
agreeing that racism and fascism is a bad thing - and that
open-mindedness and
tolerance are virtues - it exposes the ugly face of the beast,
especially
within the left part of the political spectrum. A lot of things can be
used as
an excuse for doing fucked-up things, both science and religion, and
when this
happens we should criticize it. Don't get me wrong, I love science -
and I am
in no way religious - but these days I think there's a tendency to
abuse it and
in this way to make atheism the only acceptable way to go. I don't
believe in
god, but there should be room enough in society for everyone to
practice their
various beliefs, whether they are political, religious or something
else. I
guess that this might seem like an obvious point to make, but I think
it needs
to be said.
Jon: Some very good points
by Tobi. Religion is a fascinating thing, though I also consider myself
an
atheist, or at least agnostic, for theoretical purposes. I think
religion, like
human beings, holds the seeds of both the most wonderful and altruistic
actions, as well as the most horrible actions, historically speaking.
If
religion makes people happy, gives them meaning to their life and so
on, I
consider that a good thing, even though I don't believe they are
"right" in their religious beliefs. The major difference for me where
religion becomes dangerous, is when people feel justified in their
religion for
using violence against people who do not live up to the same religious
and
moral codes as them. I definitely do not consider that a good thing. I
mentioned Kierkegaard earlier on, and he has an idea about the
"teleological suspension of the ethical", very profoundly found in
his work Fear and Trembling. In the book he glorifies the biblical
story of how
Abraham is willing to kill his son, because he thinks god is speaking
to him
and telling him to do so. So he is willing to suspend ethical concerns
(not to
kill your own son), due to religious concerns (proving his faith in god
- it is
teleological, because this is the end of his actions). I think that the
idea of
people believing god is speaking to them, asking them to commits acts
of
violence, and them acting on it, is pretty scary. Kierkegaard even
thought that
the story was a bit weakened by the fact that god interferes before
Abraham
kills his son - he believed that Abraham would in a more true sense
have proven
his faith in god, if he had actually killed him. I've discussed the
issue of
the "teleological suspension of the ethical" with theologian scholars
that are experts on Kierkegaard, offering the idea that this could be
used to
justify something as 9/11, if you truly believed you were doing god's
mission,
and all they could say was along the lines of "well, Kierkegaard meant
it
in a christian context," which I found unsatisfying. As to Muslims, I
think that in Denmark, and the rest of Europe, there has been tendency
to
generalize to the extreme that all Muslims are the same - some sort of
jihad
warriors - which has led to a great deal of Muslim-bashing. I believe
such
generalizations are hurtful to society and the process of integration.
Obviously religious nuts exists, but just like I don't expect all
Christians to
be held accountable for Kierkegaard or the Crusaders or some other
right-wing
religious nut's views, I don't expect all Muslims to be held
accountable for their
religious nuts.
Jakob: I think Jon and
Tobi said a lot of wise things already. On top of that I think that
unfortunately we as human beings need to have enemies. Since we in the
West
didn’t have the Soviet Union and the imagined communist threat to fear
anymore
around the turn of the century, at least it seems pretty convenient
that we
could construct some new enemies - in this case Islam and the Muslim
world. I’m
not saying that 9/11 didn’t happen or that CIA necessarily orchestrated
that
shit. I’m just saying that lots of innocent people are getting killed
or
mutilated here and that a few others are getting very rich and powerful
in the
process that followed that specific turn in history. If any god exists
I am
absolutely (or at least 40%) sure that he didn’t intend this to happen.
We need
to clean up this mess ourselves and need to start learning how to
co-exist in
this tiny smelly hellhole of a world. Hell (not even sure if that even
exists)
the fact the we start blabbering about 9/11 the very instant you
mention Islam
is rather sad in my honest opinion. At least it shows how distorted and
fucked
up the public discourse around this topic is. Oh and by the way I love
falafel
and I despise drone warriors. I am 50% sure that there is a special
place in hell
for those people - the drone warriors that is, not the falafels.
So what are your near term Plans
for No Fealty? Any new recordings we can look forward to? Any
special
projects of performances that stand out?
Jakob: At the moment we
are taking a little break from doing shows in order to catch breath
after a
really busy fall - not just band wise. We have unfortunately been
forced to
turn down some good shows and tours, but sometimes reality catches up
with you,
and we all agree that some things are after all more important than
this band.
However we plan to hit the studio in the beginning of 2014 - probably
in
February - to record a new 7” (or maybe a 10”? - internal note to the
band ;-))
stuffed with a few new recordings of some older songs we have kept in
storage
for you and some new bangers that are taking shape as we speak. It will
probably be out sometime in the beginning of 2016 or something like
that ;-)
no, seriously we hope to be able to wrap it up a bit faster than In the
Shadow
of the Monolith - which took us more than two years to finish, but
we’ll see.
What comes after that is hard to say. We would definitely like to tour
a little
bit more, but it is hard to find the time in between other obligations
such as
jobs, families, Netflix and other (very) busy bands. However we are
stoked
about the way our shit is being received these days, and at least for
me it
gives me the energy to keep doing what we do, even though I know that
we are
probably never going to be able to tour for months in a row.
I'll leave any final thoughts on
Feeding The Leviathan a Strict Seawater Diet to you. Thanks
again for the
interview. Scorch the world in a firestorm of abrasive
hardcore and
crust!
Jakob: Thanks for the
support. Go download our record for free (or buy it if you like it). We
still
have some physical copies left, so please don't hesitate to contact us.
If you
run a distro or something like that, please also get in touch and we
will ship
out some copies for you. If you don't like it you really shouldn't buy
it.
Knock knock... Is this microphone even turned on? 1-2. 1-2. Check
check.
Shit...
(Note: Black and White pics taken by Lisa/FatHoschi)